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lexzillaHuh. I've been flitting round lj reading some of the reaction posts to 'Dark Side of the Moon. Lots of interesting things being said, but reactions can be boiled down to three points of view:
1. YAY SPN!!
2. YAY SAM!! SPN SUCKS!!
3. YAY DEAN!! WOOT SPN!!
I'd like to think I fall into camp one. But it's possible there's a shade of camp three. So WARNING FOR EMOTIONAL ATTACHMENT BIAS.
Which probably leads to my first thought which is - how much of an episode do you think is written with Jensen's awesome ability to do close-ups in mind? If I had that face/ability to work with when I was writing something, you'd be damn sure it would show up a lot. And it does. And I see this not as a knock against Jared and more just a yay for Jensen. So, bias...
I've got to say, as sad and as hopeless as this episode was, I thought it was great. I know camp twoers were seeing Sam's memories as a way to further pull Sam from any emotional arc this season and as a dig against him, but I really saw it as consistent characterisation.
In Dean's 'I wuv hugs' [AWWWWWWW] memory, although it wasn't perfect, it was family and home and love and safety and Sam wasn't there. Sam didn't experience it. Sam was excluded from it. Sam's notion of family is all post John turns into a hunter. Yes he had Dean but it also had violence and abandonment and the fundamental notion that hunting comes first [again, I'll reiterate that this is fartherly learnings, not what he got from Dean, but Dad shapes the family] and he saw that version of family and thought 'meh'. Dean, on the other hand, had the two versions of family and so all of post-Mary life can be compared to pre-Mary and fuck him up and give him those issues. Gah! I'm being woefully inarticulate, but hopefully you know what I'm trying to say.
I also didn't see Dean dropping the amulet into the trash as abandonment of Sammy. I read it as a total abandonment of hope. And in a way this nicely places Sam back into the role of 'brother with faith' that we saw in 'Houses of the Holy' which I hope will pave the way for Sam's self-redemption. He needs to get pas the place where he feels like he shouldn't be in heaven.
Did anyone else think that Pamela's maybe you should give in to Michael was just a little off and creepy? Something going on there on clunky dialogue?
Kurt Fuller is awesome. Y/Y?
Castiel's mirroring of Dean in this episode worked really well.
"It's like Disneyland but without the anti-semitism" BWAH HA HA My favourite line.
Cinematography FTW!
I'm unsure about Joshua. Liked the actor, but magical gardener seems a tad problematic.
Oh man, I think this is possibly the most thoughtful reaction to an episode I've ever had.
1. YAY SPN!!
2. YAY SAM!! SPN SUCKS!!
3. YAY DEAN!! WOOT SPN!!
I'd like to think I fall into camp one. But it's possible there's a shade of camp three. So WARNING FOR EMOTIONAL ATTACHMENT BIAS.
Which probably leads to my first thought which is - how much of an episode do you think is written with Jensen's awesome ability to do close-ups in mind? If I had that face/ability to work with when I was writing something, you'd be damn sure it would show up a lot. And it does. And I see this not as a knock against Jared and more just a yay for Jensen. So, bias...
I've got to say, as sad and as hopeless as this episode was, I thought it was great. I know camp twoers were seeing Sam's memories as a way to further pull Sam from any emotional arc this season and as a dig against him, but I really saw it as consistent characterisation.
In Dean's 'I wuv hugs' [AWWWWWWW] memory, although it wasn't perfect, it was family and home and love and safety and Sam wasn't there. Sam didn't experience it. Sam was excluded from it. Sam's notion of family is all post John turns into a hunter. Yes he had Dean but it also had violence and abandonment and the fundamental notion that hunting comes first [again, I'll reiterate that this is fartherly learnings, not what he got from Dean, but Dad shapes the family] and he saw that version of family and thought 'meh'. Dean, on the other hand, had the two versions of family and so all of post-Mary life can be compared to pre-Mary and fuck him up and give him those issues. Gah! I'm being woefully inarticulate, but hopefully you know what I'm trying to say.
I also didn't see Dean dropping the amulet into the trash as abandonment of Sammy. I read it as a total abandonment of hope. And in a way this nicely places Sam back into the role of 'brother with faith' that we saw in 'Houses of the Holy' which I hope will pave the way for Sam's self-redemption. He needs to get pas the place where he feels like he shouldn't be in heaven.
Did anyone else think that Pamela's maybe you should give in to Michael was just a little off and creepy? Something going on there on clunky dialogue?
Kurt Fuller is awesome. Y/Y?
Castiel's mirroring of Dean in this episode worked really well.
"It's like Disneyland but without the anti-semitism" BWAH HA HA My favourite line.
Cinematography FTW!
I'm unsure about Joshua. Liked the actor, but magical gardener seems a tad problematic.
Oh man, I think this is possibly the most thoughtful reaction to an episode I've ever had.
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Date: 2010-04-06 08:24 pm (UTC)Oh man. I saw loads. Astolats flist I think??? It was all along the lines of how annoying it is to always get the show from Deans POV, how Dean was being mean to Sam by being upset over Stanford, how you the show ruins Sams character by showing those specific memories blah blah blah
I know! Poor both boys!
Yeah, it is possible it means that. But I think its just more of a giving up in general thing. I haven't watched any JIB con footage yet, but I heard that Jensen said the boys relationship will have to get worse before it gets better! That's gonna be a big OUCH. LOL the soulmates line was awesome.
Huh. I get what you're saying. I tend to view Zacharia as a middle management flunky. The type that's always an arse. I don't know whose orders he's working under though...
Castiels end face was soooooooo sad. *g* You want to cuddle him don't you?
What's the history? [we've already covered my biblical ignorance so...]
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Date: 2010-04-06 09:17 pm (UTC)Worse before it gets better... We are going out this season the way we did last season? Boo.
Straight from wiki - Joshua was one of the twelve spies of Israel sent by Moses to explore the land of Canaan. After the death of Moses, he led the Israelite tribes in the conquest of Canaan, and allocated the land to the tribes.